Unassisted Childbirth
So, there I was reading Homebirth Debate and I started trying to find the UC site that Dr Amy refers to. I must be particularly unobservant as I can’t discover the name, or a link, which would allow me to read the forums. Whilst searching I stumbled across this midwifery today forum, which contained the following:-
Hi my name is Lisa, I am 28weeks and I am moving to South Carolina (Spartanburg County) in the next few weeks. I have been researching UCand I absolutley want to do this. I attend breastfeeding meetings once a week and I always ask a lot of questions (questions concerning pregnancy, usually). But there are some that can’t be answered because they are not into what I believe in (as to do it the natural way). Here are some questions that I can’t seem to get answered and hope someone can help.
1. What “exactly” do I need to do to get a birth certificate? Do they need the weight and length of the baby, too?
2. Is it illegal in the state of South Carolina to do UC?3. I want to have the birth in the tub. So when the head comes out do I need to stand up, not to drown the baby?
4. *I would like to know of a herbologist or whom ever knows about such things, in this area, so that if something happens that I may havetintures to use (instead of drugs) for hemmoraging etc., or say soothing smells in the home.*5. I am Rh- I do not want the shot, which my doctor wants to give me next week at my visit, (to his surprise I am not taking that or the blood test for diabetees - I feel great!). What are your feelings on this matter? 6. Where can I go to find out about positions for delivery, in case my baby is breeched?7. Should I go to Lamaze class?
8. Do I need to get out of the tub once I delivery the baby, so my body can deliver the placenta?
9. If it is a boy, I would like him to be circumsized. How long do I wait? Where do I go? and does he realy need a vitamin K shot? (I would prefer the oral vitamin K.)
10. Last but not least if something goes wrong I will go to the hospital, but will they respect my wishes as to no Hepititus B, Ointment in the eyes, PKU test, etc.? I do have a Birth Plan.
I’m sorry that it is so lengthy, but I am almost prepared in having this baby! Thanks so much!
Where do I start? I’m going to begin my saying that my first thought when I read this was ‘ This has to be a wind-up. Someone who is so clearly uninformed can not be considering UC’. Then I mused again and thought that at least she is trying to find out about the process. Logic stepped in ‘ She has access to the internet, she must have done a search.’ That was my next step and immediately I found this guide to unassisted childbirth. and these extracts from video’s . Lisa must have found these as well, why the naive questions?What has caused me so much angst? I’ll start by discussing he points that I’ve highlighted in green. I attend breastfeeding meetings once a week (crikey, is she studying for a diploma?) Why not ‘birthing classes’. If I was thinking of giving birth wihout any professional assistance I would be going to any groups, meetings I could track down which may give me a few ideas about the whole birthing experience.I want to have the birth in the tub. So when the head comes out do I need to stand up, not to drown the baby? Now I’m worried. She has an idea in her head but really knows nothing about it. This is phrased as if she believes that it would be easy to stand up as the baby’s head is being born. Does she really appreciate the effort that is involved in giving birth, the overwhelming sensations that a woman experiences? I’m not even going to touch on the dangers of a pool/tub birth if she has not done a great deal of reading/research around the subject.tintures to use (instead of drugs) for hemmoraging etc., or say soothing smells in the home Haemorrhaging. Yes, lets use a few ‘tinctures’, that should stop a haemorrhage. Let’s put this in context, we are not talking about a trickle of blood here, we are talking flood,It is estimated that as much as 600 ml of blood flows through the placenta each minute in a full-term pregnancy, that’s over a pint a minute. Okay, so Lisa could try Arnica or Bellis , but that’s assuming that the bleeding is caused by her uterus not contracting down, supposing she has sustained a huge tear which has severed a blood vessel, making her womb contract, is not going to be of much use. PPH (postpartum haemorrhage is the leading cause of maternal death worldwide. If it is a boy, I would like him to be circumsized Why? Come on Lisa, you don’t want any medicalisation to do with his birth so why have a part of him removed following his birth? It may be a religious demand, but otherwise??????I am almost prepared in having this baby No. She is no where near being prepared, and the fact that she believes that is what is so frightening.I don’t believe that all births should happen in hospital, but I do believe that having someone present who is equipped and trained to deal with any problems is desirable. There will always be times when babies are born before assistance arrives. However, in the main these births occur quickly and this generally means that all is well with the relationship between the Mum’s pelvis,the size of the baby and the ability of the uterus to contract efficiently. These are not long labours which can cause the uterus to tire and not contract down well following baby being born, births with the Mum lounging about in the bath and not knowing what to do, or births where there is a problem with the baby being too large and getting its shoulders stuck.

I wonder if this is the link you want?
http://www.mothering.com/discussions/forumdisplay.php?f=306
Have fun! I enjoy your blog.
Comment by Erica — November 27, 2007 @ 3:19 am
I think the forum you wanted was http://www.mothering.com
Unfortunately, women like this one are all too common. They have absolutely no concept of what labor entails or what a contraction even feels like. Fortunately, most will ultimately wind up in hospital because the reality will overtake the fantasy.
However, you’re right, it’s scary.
Comment by Antigonos — November 27, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
Well I think it may be a southern thing. In Georgia where we once lived UC was illegal but I still know someone who went for it - I thought a bit differently of her after I learnt this - maybe that is too judgemental but it’s true. And the circumcison is very common here - not even on religious grounds. We were rare as we didn’t have it for our boys.
Comment by mumof4 — November 27, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
Georgia is rather like the Forst of Dean, rather backward in the woods and it’s worse in South Carolina, sounds like this person lives in a fluffy bunny world rather scary when it all goes wrong
Comment by princessfairytoes — November 27, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
Erica and Antigonas ~ Thank you for the link. I think that’s where I want to go but can’t find the specific threads Dr Amy refers to. A few scary people there though.
Mumof4 - Circumcision is one of those weird things where, between religious, cultural and health issues, a generally unnecessary operation is considered acceptable. I just find it hypocritical that the woman in this post wants to avoid any intervention for herself but is considering unnecessary surgery for a newborn.
Princess - Should we start to expect loads of UC in the Forest of Dean then!!!
Comment by midwifemuse — November 27, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
It’s called FreeBirthing in the UK and it’s getting quite a following on-line…
VERY, VERY scary!
Comment by Jane — November 29, 2007 @ 10:12 pm
Jane - I do find it very scary as, from the information I have received,the outcomes appear to be far worse than those in a professionally attended homebirth. Something that worries me is that if there is a BBA, or an ‘unexpected’ homebirth in progress, I could be sent there as the on-call midwife. If everything had gone horribly wrong, or was in the process of going wrong, I would be expected to pick up the pieces and I would have to live with the outcome forever, even though it was not of my doing.
Comment by midwifemuse — November 29, 2007 @ 11:09 pm
Thank you and thank you! I am a midwife practicing in Michigan and I just started a blog (www.closetotheroot.blogspot.com ) where I responded to several people posting about some 60 hours post rupture mum who thought she was 35 weeks and finally headed to hospital where she was found to have fundal height of 41 cm’s and a US dating at 41 weeks….they, of course, want to induce her because of dates/ ROM plus 60 hours but, with the encouragement of mate and “forum”—she returns home. Then goes to the Mall to walk. Has hubby do a couple of vag checks…no labor and no labor and more hours and more hours but she’s monitoring her temp; so, NO PROBLEM…she’s also “educated and informed and ( of course ) trusts her body”. What have we DONE? We wanted women to trust birth and trust their bodies and now we have women who believe that birth is safe under any and all circumstances; that there are no real risk factors and we midwives are now the “enemy” trying to control their “process” and disrupt their “experience”. So, some woman from Oregon has posted me blasting me for my concern about this motherbaby…..what am I just not understanding here? Please share something that gives me something to work with. Is anyone else in the midwifery community seeing more and more women who won’t allow the most routine prenatal checks? NO BP…NO urine dip. NO fundal height…..I am told that all of that is irrelevant; just numbers. They garner a little bit of information on the internet and from their forums and their good to go….I am just so bewildered by this. Why…..and why?
Comment by Michelle Wilbert — December 17, 2007 @ 5:26 am